It appeared in the catalogue without any reference to having been found; it was described simply as "private collection, 1987".  Tom Christopherson, European General Counsel for Sotheby's, said that the Murrays were contacted by Sotheby's, as part of routine due diligence, prior to the auction. Winslow Homer (February 24, 1836 – September 29, 1910) was an American landscape painter and printmaker, best known for his marine subjects.He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. that was a great read Nell.. it is sad that there is still no outcome! Nell Rose (author) from England on February 18, 2016: Yes you are right Bobby, I do believe though that Selina though has got the better deal now, she has sold it on, so thank goodness for that! Sir Henry Arthur Blake had been the Governor of the Bahamas from 1884 to 1887. Good luck with it, as you can see by the Series, it can eventually be done but it does take time, good luck and thanks for reading. So sad that rich people have such a narrow attitude. A 50% share in that painting would've been more than he was rightfully entitled to, but after his true colors were shown I sincerely hope he gets nothing, that he's disinherited, and that he dies penniless and alone. We have wealthy relatives who you would not believe would have done the most appalling things to a 90 year old. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 30, 2015: Thanks angiiii, I try to keep it polite on here, I have learned my lesson in the past! Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! Like hell it was! Doesn't make sense, does it?! You would not break into a house, steal an old picture without a frame, take it outside, look at it then throw it on the dump! I am not sure if its still going on, but at least she was clever enough to sell it on. What a roller coaster ride for Selina ! There's a statue of limitations that has expired for claims to the painting, so it's finder's keepers, loser's weepers. Its easy to say well here's the evidence, but of course paintings get sold or lost over time, and this of course was 20 years later, not straight away. That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed. Local knowledge. Without an injuction, without any form off proof, the other party had stopped the sale! She was then told that she could sell it, and sort out the problem after the sale. TV's, sofa's, chairs and broken pieces of rubbish that they no longer want. I don't think it will ever be sorted out to be honest, its one of those things that could go on for years! It would be good to see whats happened now. Clifford Schorer says he loaned Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. But the only trouble was that when the relatives were interviewed they kept coming up with a different story. So, I say that he's out of luck, as well. It's no coincidence that he is offering Varney 25-30% of a painting est. 10 minutes before the painting was sold, she was called to the office and told that it had been withdrawn! Embrace the fact that moderation, humility and kindness are virtues and not weaknesses. And of course figure out if it was a fake or the real thing. I felt an instant dislike to the great grandson and his attitude to toward the family. For example, some art works acquired (?stolen) by the Nazis before and during WWII from Jewish families, have been returned to descendants after expensive court cases. I take umbrage with Simon Murray’s comments accusing Selina of wanting the money to buy a swimming pool and cars while he’s the one saying he needs the money for renovations! It only takes one to mess up the whole reality of the situation. Hallo, Inloggen. Let’s not forget he’s a trained lawyer. As far as Tony was concerned it was just another pretty water colour that happened to have been thrown away. Winslow Homer (1836–1910) is regarded by many as the greatest American painter of the nineteenth century. Certainly, Schorer has deeper pockets than Selena. If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! It's a page turner indeed. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 08, 2017: LOL! It's also amazing that this has been in limbon for so many years-Salina's kids are all grown and though college now, ostensibly what the proceeds would have been for. Thanks for reading. I watched this just today ... What a story ! He doesn't need to prove the painting is rightfully his, he just needs to cast doubt over the ownership so that the painting can't be sold. Therefore he knows exactly how to handle the case. As she states,' If we hadn't found the painting, it would have been ruined within a couple of days, or even a few hours. After twenty long years of collecting dust in a cupboard, they thought it was time that someone else had a chance to own this wonderful Painting. Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. My view is 65/35 Salina/Murray would have been reasonable and found money to him. That said, I'm still not convinced Homer actually did the painting. It gets worse. Nothing really to add, Selena has got a loan on the painting with a third party who now has claim on the painting, she owes this guy a considerable sum. Selina and her father, have been offered 25 per cent of the sale, and the rest of the money is to go to the Drakes. as you say, if it does end up with the Blakes she will be in big trouble! He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. Regardless of what legal decision will ultimately be made in the case, Simon Murray is a spoiled little weasel who seems to think that inherited money and fancy words hides his low character. The painting was in fact worth more. As she has not repaid the loan, his lawsuit claims he's the rightful owner. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. Audrey Selig from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on May 15, 2015: Hi Nell You certainly wrote on a popular topic and received lots of responses. And at the beginning, the family were not interested in the Painting. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 16, 2013: Couldn't have said it better, Angiiii! Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. After investigation, they found that the painting was indeed an authentic Winslow Homer. Picking up something at the dump, I certainly would not report it to the police. What's infinitely worse though, is his condescension to an honest woman that he's never met as though she's a lowly pauper entertaining silly notions of pools and cars to which plebeians like her have no business aspiring, all while simultaneously wanting to sell a supposedly cherished family heirloom to upkeep the family mansion! Then in May 2008, he decided to take them to the Antiques Roadshow in Althorp, Northampton England. And no its still not been resolved. Selina believes that as her father found it, and kept it for 20 years, without anyone claiming it, then it belongs to her. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 15, 2013: Thanks angiiiii, I totally agree with you, thanks for reading, nell. Or they moved in after their relative had died and they inherited the house. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 12, 2014: I never realised that Genee, Wow! The Blake's have NOTHING. I have just watched the latest Fake or Fortune series and I totally understand what you mean about the authenticity. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 24, 2016: Thanks Pennies Christie.  According to Mr. Murray, his family didn't know that the painting was stolen until it was put up for auction at Sotheby's. Selina and Tony were given the great news. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 17, 2020: I totally agree Robin. bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. Imogen French from Southwest England on October 05, 2020: Fascinating story. As you can imagine, he was stunned. Great hub, I watched the TV programme the other night about the painting. The whole thing is ridiculous. Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. lol! As I live one state over, I hope to see it one day. thanks so much for reading. Certainly not the admiration of the art world and fans of great art. Two different concepts I’m afraid! Thanks for reading, nell. Homer visited the Bahamas in the winters of 1884 and 1885. lol! yes the ownership is a big thing, if they got it wrong they could be sued, so they have to be really careful. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 01, 2017: Hi Pelleas, no sorry. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. Winslow Homer was a landscape artist. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. The party was also attended by Winslow Homer who was asked by Lady Blake to sketch the children. Sotheby's. Chances are the painting would have been crushed by the garbage truck's jaws and deposited at the nearest dump. this is just greed, and yes I agree, a number 1 sin, nell. The descendants of Sir Henry Arthur Blake, who was a British Colonial administrator, back in the 19th Century, stated that the painting was of Sir Henry's children, so therefore the painting still belonged to them! Worcester is known for it’s collection of great American artists and Homer is right up there in the top. Small: Amazon.nl. The Blakes are entitled to nothing. This does not need litigation. Hi Genee, Wow I never knew that! I am following this story in New York state. Please keep me updated I cannot wait to see the look on the grandsons face when common sense prevails . I didn't read the entire list of comments, but got the gist of what has happened. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 24, 2020: Thanks GS. He forgot to mention 55” flat screens! The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. I got interested again after reading about Winslow Homer in a coffee table book about a San Antonio TX couple's collection of 26 Impressionist paintings they'd loaned to the Smithsonian's art gallery in Washington, D.C. View the profiles of people named Clifford J. Schorer. GREED. We saved it. Nobody had ever reported it missing, and in fact they hadn't even known of its existence. Selina is the real owner, simple as that, as for the new so called owner coming forward, Selina should be able to sell the painting and then pay him off, thanks for reading, nell, Hi Dolores, no it was never reported, in fact it was 20 years before all this happened! The 'well Selina is alright she married and owns a pub'.....try running one, and you will what hard work it is. When Simon Murray, identified the photo, he said the family still had the urn, that they had found and was in the picture. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 17, 2017: Thanks FF yes I totally agree with you, but luckily if you read near the bottom it worked out okay. Great story. Even though the Blake family have never pressed its ownership. Born in Boston and raised in rural Cambridge, he began his career as a commercial printmaker, first in Boston and then in New York, where he settled in … It sounds like Selina has done pretty well out of this, and good luck to her! The Art world is a mysterious journey that can take you back in time.  It was included in their sale on 21 May 2009. seems being truthful doesn't get you anywhere these days! Unfortunately, I have a bit of experience in trying to get Sotheby's to sell a piece. Pigs. The central figure is Olive Blake. As they walked past, Tony spotted just outside the dump, a few old pictures thrown down on the ground. You are so right! thanks for reading, nell. Offered only 25 then 30% to the then owner. Ga naar primaire content.nl. He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. they binned it, simple as that, and they just won't give up, greedy! He soon turned his talent to oil painting. To reclaim the painting the Blakes would have to prove that it was more likely than not that the painting belonged to them and, rather than being sold or abandoned, it had either been lost or was stolen from them. If they could be grateful for the find and offer her half the money, I think she would accept it. Prime Winkel-wagen. If there had been a burglary back in the 80s, and someone had deliberately targeted Paintings, believing they were valuable, then surely the thief would know how famous Homer was? Since they have a standard of not marketing anything without complete agreement on authenticity by their panels, I was out of luck. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on December 29, 2013: Hey, Nell! This is a real life 'Goldfinch". Thanks! Han vandt først et navn ved illustrationer, særlig efter Borgerkrigens udbrud, ved sine krigsscener for Harpers Weekly. After a statutorily defined period of time, it's too late to shout "Theft, theft!" So, leaning down, he brushed of the dirt, and decided to take them home to keep them safe from ruin. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. Olive subsequently married John (Jack) Arbuthnot who wrote some of the Beachcomber columns. However what we do know: Selena has stored it for over 20 years in a clean, dry place therefore she has a right to charge the Blakes for storage fees,( if they can prove it was always theirs in the first place). According to Sothebys, they have issued a statement that says: 'The ownership of the painting is still being disputed and should be settled in the Courts'. Does this mean you believe Selina and her family were in the wrong? Buy online, view images and see past prices for WINSLOW HOMER - DOWN THE CLIFF. This man, who comes from a family that is so wealthy they can jet of around the world just when they feel like it, belittles Selina, who is a kind and loving mother. Like a paint-by-number, as it were, which would explain why the family always thought it was one of her own watercolors. At the date of transmission of the programme (26 June 2011) ownership was still the subject of a legal dispute. If there was no report can the family of the Blake's still make a claim? Home to the Blakes. I personally think the family that found the painting should be entitled to the total amount especially as there was no evidence of a burglary. Unless there is something else we don't know, but anyway, thanks so much for the update, I wish the stalemate would end, it must be driving her and the family nuts! Nell Rose (author) from England on January 18, 2014: Hi Trogging, that's so true! That's their problem. Then for the next 20 years he forgot about them. Selina's dad found it so that should be the end of it. Born in 1836, Winslow Homer is regarded by many as one of the greatest American painters of the 19th century.  Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". Thanks houseofcharm. But Selina held onto her dignity by not responding. Hi Mary, yes it was wasn't it? to be worth 100,000 when he would know that she originally expected to make 30,000 on the sale (the figure quoted on the Antiques Roadshow). Drats! For a few years he attended The National Academy of Design, and then went on to study with Frederic Rondel, who taught him the basics of Painting. Even a magistrate would agree. There shouldn't have been a problem. We all felt sorry for her, but now it seems things have turned out okay, lol! Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer.It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune?. And, the fellow who lent hard money against the painting entered into the loan with eyes wide open so I think, short of any guaranty codicil, will have to live by the decision of the outcome in the courts-like investing in a race horse that goes lame. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on September 12, 2014: For the record, Sotheby's has a long-standing policy of yanking items from auctions at the last minute if there's the slightest whiff of dispute of ownership. Had Selina's dad not had the wherewithal to add it to his collectibles, this wouldn't even be an issue. Clifford Schorer says Selena Varney (used the painting as security for a loan. In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. I thought it was very unfair that they were allowed to pull the sale of the painting from the auction right at the last minute as another party had claimed ownership. Thanks for sharing a story that you made easy to understand. Uniek aanbod (tweedehands) boeken. In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. No police report, no proof it was stolen. He also practised printmaking. Copyart collectie van Winslow Homer's schilderijen bestaat uit de meest populaire kunstwerken van deze schilder, die beschikbaar zijn op Bimago winkel. Obviously not in this case. thanks for reading, nell. Winslow Homer (24. veljače 1836. thanks for reading, nell. Why are the courts so slow to rule on this case? thanks for reading, nell. "The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. " He loaned Selena an undisclosed amount of money for the transfer of ownership. Even if the diary is not a forgery, it only proves that Lady Blake received a "sketch", which might only be a preliminary version of the watercolor, and not the painting at issue, and the diary does not prove that the painting, if that is what it was, was not given away, bartered, sold or discarded. In other words Selena may not have much say or push in court, but a top business man will. Silly girl. I watched this today. So surely the law just has to decide whether if you throw something away, have you a claim to it now? But she didn't. Other than money, what can Simon and his obviously-greedy mother hope to gain by continuing the legal battle for ownership? Ignored Sotheby's advice it would be sold. Clifford Schorer is on Facebook. I cannot stand or bear a mean spirit...... Selina, if you read this, get to mediation, put this xxxxx behind you.. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 29, 2015: Just came back to say I have been looking it up and realise that this news is out there on the internet so I can add it here, thanks again, nell, Hi Penny, thanks for clarifying it. The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. Kunstenaar: Winslow Homer - alle werken van deze kunstenaar als kunstdruk, als olieverfschilderij of op dibond/acrylglas.  Sotheby's responded that the ownership of the painting was still disputed and should be settled in the courts. One other thing that I think should be mentioned. Even they mentioned that they would have been ruined in a hours or a day if left exposed. Is there any further update? It was found just outside a rubbish dump, three miles from Myrtle Grove. Now, how on earth did Selina get in hock with this other guy? Tarot Cards - Pick Three Cards For A Free Reading. Voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting. Mainly bought at garage sales, charity shops and so on. In her later years, Olive was described by one of her grandsons as being "a formidable looking woman of whom I was somewhat frightened".. There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. So frustrating and annoying. Thanks for reading. G. S. 2020 comment on September 23, 2020: If Mr. Shorer wins and the painting ends up In Worcester Museum ( in Connecticut), it couldn’t have a better home. you are quite right, everything should be sorted out by now, its just ridiculous! I love these stories of art thefts and the ensuing legal fights. I would think that by now the Blake's would be barred from claiming ownership either because of the doctrine of laches or the statute of limitations. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 19, 2020: Exactly Shauna, it was just greed. surely he would have noticed something missing over 20 years for goodness sake! She doesn't need the money, got a pub with new husband, got a loan from a third party on the painting.... Nell Rose (author) from England on February 16, 2015: Hi Heath, yes I totally agree with you! There's no way it should be given to them. He lived a fascinating life; working as a commercial illustrator, an artist-correspondent for the Civil War, being published on commemorative stamps and achieving financial success as a fine artist. And I almost wish that there was an afterlife so that Simon Murray, and people like him, would live with an eternal punishment for what they begat in life. For all we know the original owners could have thrown it all out when cleaning out the house. Murray is simply indulging in legal thuggery. It said that late in life, Homer had become a recluse in Maine, so I was curious as to how and where he would've met up with the Blakes to do "Children" in the first place. Just over a year later, the Blake family allege that they have found documents, letters that mention the party that the children had gone too, and the description of the clothes they were wearing in the Painting.  Ms. Varney was flown to New York to observe the sale. And the family barrister is just using that story as leverage in what amounts to an extortion of money from the rightful owner of the painting. I will keep my eyes open thought, and will update if there is anything new. It hasn't. The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. Who knows. It is only when the item was VALUED that an interest and family need to own it was established. Shauna L Bowling from Central Florida on August 19, 2020: Nell, I didn't see any mention of a police report for the alleged theft of the painting (that no one even remembered until its value became known). I noticed his evidence of provenance by way of the letters referred to a sketch not a painting - could it be that Homer sketched the family and gave that to Lady Blake whilst he completed the painting later - perhaps he then took it to Ireland later. This is a place where everyone comes to throw away all their old garbage. In addition she can also charge any legal fees, any interest lost from the drawn out legal process lost from the original sale, or devaluation of the artwork due to a withdrawn sale at the auction by the Blakes.  Mr. Mould took it to New York to be sold by Sotheby's. Who really does own this painting? It’s utterly disgusting to hear him ridicule Selena and her family by making the ironic remark that her sole aspirations are to buy swimming pools and cars. – 29.rujna 1910.) lol! Here is how this is easily resolved, the wisdom of Soloman. Aha Penny, do tell! It was well on the way to being sold for 150,000 pounds! 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